[PW] FW: Project-Wombat-Open Digest, Vol 23, Issue 31
John Childers
john.childers at softvu.com
Fri Nov 30 13:02:57 PST 2007
Re: Town Business Listings
In a former career, I spent a lot of time researching the history of
businesses near any existing business looking for historic environmental
hazards.
The most useful resource we found were Fire Insurance Maps, which are
commonly found in libraries, historical society collections, and museum
collections. It looks like the Birmingham Public Library has some maps
for Brundidge in its collection:
http://www.bplonline.org/Archives/collections/sanbornfireinsurancemaps.a
sp
There are also extensive commercial collections that offer these maps
for virtually any locale across the U.S.
http://www.sanborn.com/products/fire_insurance_maps.asp
Another useful resource is old yellow-pages business directories, also
frequently found in the same sources.
Thanks,
--John C.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: town business listings (Kevin O'Kelly)
2. Re: town business listings (jtg)
3. Fiction Plotted Backwards (Dianne)
4. Re: Fiction Plotted Backwards (S M Colowick)
5. Re: Fiction Plotted Backwards (Andrew Warren)
6. Re: Fiction Plotted Backwards (Jeanne Schramm)
7. Re: town business listings (Wendy Miller)
8. Re: Fiction Plotted Backwards (Linda Corets)
9. Book About Merry-Go-Round (Shari Haber)
10. Re: Fiction Plotted Backwards (Dianne)
11. Re: Fiction Plotted Backwards (Dianne)
12. Re: Book About Merry-Go-Round (Peter Macinnis)
13. Re: Fiction Plotted Backwards (Nichael Cramer)
14. pre-1980 summer eights rowing races at Oxford (don wittig)
15. Margaret Mead Quote (Sheila Martin)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:12:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin O'Kelly <rkokelly at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PW] town business listings
To: list at project-wombat.org
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The uncle of a friend of mine plans to write a history of his home town
(Brundige, Alabama). He wants to create a list of all the businesses
that operated in this town going back to 1850. I have been asked how he
can do this.
My response: a comprehensive list is impossible. He might be able to put
together a partial list if Brundige published annual city directories
that included listings of local businesses, and if any of those
directories have been preserved (such town directories were very common
in Massachusetts, where I work, I have no idea if towns in other parts
of the country had them).
Nonpopulation census information regarding businesses seems to be
limited.
I told my friend his uncle also might have to spend a great deal of time
scanning old Brundige newspapers for ads to the names of some local
businesses.
Any other suggestions?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:56:33 -0000
From: "jtg" <jtg.germainsjy at localdial.com>
Subject: Re: [PW] town business listings
To: <list at project-wombat.org>
Message-ID: <002101c832ca$52de6bb0$0401a8c0 at ACER>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Property taxation records?
John Germain
Jersey
British Channel Islands
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[mailto:project-wombat-bounces at lists.project-wombat.org] On Behalf Of
Kevin
O'Kelly
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:13 PM
To: list at project-wombat.org
Subject: Re: [PW] town business listings
The uncle of a friend of mine plans to write a history of his home town
(Brundige, Alabama). He wants to create a list of all the businesses
that
operated in this town going back to 1850. I have been asked how he can
do
this.
My response: a comprehensive list is impossible. He might be able to put
together a partial list if Brundige published annual city directories
that
included listings of local businesses, and if any of those directories
have
been preserved (such town directories were very common in Massachusetts,
where I work, I have no idea if towns in other parts of the country had
them).
Nonpopulation census information regarding businesses seems to be
limited.
I told my friend his uncle also might have to spend a great deal of time
scanning old Brundige newspapers for ads to the names of some local
businesses.
Any other suggestions?
---------------------------------
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:17 -0800
From: "Dianne" <Mutts at cox.net>
Subject: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: <list at project-wombat.org>
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I was late to seeing "Memento," which is a film that starts at the end
of
the story and then works its way backwards to what would normally be the
beginning. It sparked a vague sort of memory in me.
I know I saw, several years ago, another film with the same structure.
I
think the story was about two people who fall in love and eventually
break
up (or perhaps one discovers an infidelity in the other). The film
starts
with the break up (or near to it) and then works backwards until you see
how
they came together in the first place. That's my recollection, anyway.
I
believe it may have been based on a play, but I am lost as to identify
an
author or title. I keep thinking Kevin Kline might have been in the
film,
but I couldn't identify it from a list of his films, so that may be a
false
memory on my part (ironic considering the theme of "Memento.")
I don't know if anyone can identify the film from that lame description,
but
I'd also be curious if anyone knows of any other films/novels/plays that
are
structured in a similar way.
I don't mean mysteries, of course, where the detective is presented a
problem and then unravels it through the course of his or her
investigation.
That's a pretty normal way mysteries are constructed. I mean where the
viewer or reader sees the normally last scene first, and the first scene
last.
And is there a name for this style of writing?
This is just for me and my curostiy, so no hurry.
Thank you.
Dianne Parham
Retired in San Diego
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:52:24 -0800
From: "S M Colowick" <januarye at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: list at project-wombat.org, Mutts at cox.net
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It could be the French film 5x2
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0354356/). I think it starts with the
couple's divorce and works back to when they met.
Susie
> I know I saw, several years ago, another film with the same structure.
I
> think the story was about two people who fall in love and eventually
break
> up (or perhaps one discovers an infidelity in the other). The film
starts
> with the break up (or near to it) and then works backwards until you
see how
> they came together in the first place.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:23:05 -0800
From: "Andrew Warren" <awarren at synaptics.com>
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: <list at project-wombat.org>
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Dianne wrote:
> I was late to seeing "Memento," which is a film that starts at the end
> of the story and then works its way backwards to what would normally
be
> the beginning. It sparked a vague sort of memory in me.
>
> I know I saw, several years ago, another film with the same structure.
> I think the story was about two people who fall in love and eventually
> break up (or perhaps one discovers an infidelity in the other). The
> film starts with the break up (or near to it) and then works backwards
> until you see how they came together in the first place. That's my
> recollection, anyway. I believe it may have been based on a play, but
> I am lost as to identify an author or title. I keep thinking Kevin
> Kline might have been in the film, but I couldn't identify it from a
> list of his films, so that may be a false memory on my part (ironic
> considering the theme of "Memento.")
>
> I don't know if anyone can identify the film from that lame
> description
Dianne:
Could it have been "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", starring Jim
Carrey and Kate Winslet?
-Andrew
Retired from San diego
=== Andrew Warren - awarren at synaptics.com
=== Synaptics, Inc - Santa Clara, CA
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:55:41 -0500
From: "Jeanne Schramm" <jeanne.schramm at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: list at project-wombat.org
Message-ID:
<511347890711291755l2ae193efy3b7ca73c490fcbd5 at mail.gmail.com>
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Here are several with backwards narratives: "Irreversible," "5x2" ["cinq
fois deux"] and Pinter's play, "Betrayal."
On Nov 29, 2007 7:23 PM, Dianne <Mutts at cox.net> wrote:
> I was late to seeing "Memento," which is a film that starts at the end
of
> the story and then works its way backwards to what would normally be
the
> beginning. It sparked a vague sort of memory in me.
>
> I know I saw, several years ago, another film with the same structure.
I
> think the story was about two people who fall in love and eventually
break
> up (or perhaps one discovers an infidelity in the other). The film
starts
> with the break up (or near to it) and then works backwards until you
see
> how
> they came together in the first place. That's my recollection, anyway.
I
> believe it may have been based on a play, but I am lost as to identify
an
> author or title. I keep thinking Kevin Kline might have been in the
film,
> but I couldn't identify it from a list of his films, so that may be a
> false
> memory on my part (ironic considering the theme of "Memento.")
>
> I don't know if anyone can identify the film from that lame
description,
> but
> I'd also be curious if anyone knows of any other films/novels/plays
that
> are
> structured in a similar way.
>
> I don't mean mysteries, of course, where the detective is presented a
> problem and then unravels it through the course of his or her
> investigation.
> That's a pretty normal way mysteries are constructed. I mean where
the
> viewer or reader sees the normally last scene first, and the first
scene
> last.
>
> And is there a name for this style of writing?
>
> This is just for me and my curostiy, so no hurry.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dianne Parham
> Retired in San Diego
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project Wombat
> list at project-wombat.org
> http://www.project-wombat.org/
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:06:52 -0500
From: Wendy Miller <miller at portland.lib.me.us>
Subject: Re: [PW] town business listings
To: "list at project-wombat.org" <list at project-wombat.org>
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The Alabama State Library does not list any holdings for Brundige or
Brundidge city directories. This centennial bank history includes a
quite rich description of the town in 1904 including its businesses --
http://www.f-n-b.com/history.html and a briefer, pre-1904, history.
Some other possibilities --
Business directories -- historic -- Large city libraries and the state
library may have
Business incorporation records (state, etc.)
Court records (including bankruptcy filings)
Property tax records
Town histories and celebrations (centennial, if there was one)
Genealogy
Fraternal organizations usually have detailed histories of themselves
Census records (showing occupations as leads for businesses)
Library records -- often there's good stuff in storage
Telephone books -- historic
State Library records
County records
Family histories -- published and unpublished
Alabama archives -- http://archives.state.al.us/teacher/netres.html
Tax records -- if any open to the public
Wendy Miller
________________________________________
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[project-wombat-fm-bounces at lists.project-wombat.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
O'Kelly [rkokelly at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:12 PM
To: list at project-wombat.org
Subject: Re: [PW] town business listings
The uncle of a friend of mine plans to write a history of his home town
(Brundige, Alabama). He wants to create a list of all the businesses
that operated in this town going back to 1850. I have been asked how he
can do this.
My response: a comprehensive list is impossible. He might be able to put
together a partial list if Brundige published annual city directories
that included listings of local businesses, and if any of those
directories have been preserved (such town directories were very common
in Massachusetts, where I work, I have no idea if towns in other parts
of the country had them).
Nonpopulation census information regarding businesses seems to be
limited.
I told my friend his uncle also might have to spend a great deal of time
scanning old Brundige newspapers for ads to the names of some local
businesses.
Any other suggestions?
---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
_______________________________________________
Project Wombat
list at project-wombat.org
http://www.project-wombat.org
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:38:00 -0800
From: "Linda Corets" <lcorets at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: <list at project-wombat.org>
Message-ID: <012601c832fa$06c696f0$1453c4d0$@washington.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Related plot keywords on imdb (with movie lists) include:
Reverse chronology
http://www.imdb.com/keyword/reverse-chronology/
Nonlinear timeline
http://www.imdb.com/keyword/nonlinear-timeline/
Backwards
http://www.imdb.com/keyword/backwards/
Linda Corets
Seattle
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[mailto:project-wombat-bounces at lists.project-wombat.org] On Behalf Of
Dianne
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:23 PM
To: list at project-wombat.org
Subject: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
I was late to seeing "Memento," which is a film that starts at the end
of
the story and then works its way backwards to what would normally be the
beginning. It sparked a vague sort of memory in me.
I know I saw, several years ago, another film with the same structure.
I
think the story was about two people who fall in love and eventually
break
up (or perhaps one discovers an infidelity in the other). The film
starts
with the break up (or near to it) and then works backwards until you see
how
they came together in the first place. That's my recollection, anyway.
I
believe it may have been based on a play, but I am lost as to identify
an
author or title. I keep thinking Kevin Kline might have been in the
film,
but I couldn't identify it from a list of his films, so that may be a
false
memory on my part (ironic considering the theme of "Memento.")
I don't know if anyone can identify the film from that lame description,
but
I'd also be curious if anyone knows of any other films/novels/plays that
are
structured in a similar way.
I don't mean mysteries, of course, where the detective is presented a
problem and then unravels it through the course of his or her
investigation.
That's a pretty normal way mysteries are constructed. I mean where the
viewer or reader sees the normally last scene first, and the first scene
last.
And is there a name for this style of writing?
This is just for me and my curostiy, so no hurry.
Thank you.
Dianne Parham
Retired in San Diego
_______________________________________________
Project Wombat
list at project-wombat.org
http://www.project-wombat.org/
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:08:18 -0800
From: "Shari Haber" <shaber at mcls.org>
Subject: [PW] Book About Merry-Go-Round
To: <pubyac at lists.prairienet.org>
Cc: list at project-wombat.org
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Greetings!
I need help finding a book that a patron read in 1963. The story: There
was a carousel on a beach. The man who ran the carousel had a little
girl who had a favorite wooden horse on that carousel. A tsunami caused
a big wave to wash up on the beach, and the little girl is saved by
hanging on to the neck of the horse.
It is not Marcia Brown's "Little Carousel," Crockett Johnson's "Merry Go
Round," Bianco's "Penny and the White Horse," "Little Rider," or Young's
"Prance: A Carousel Horse." It is not the "Gigi" books either. Can
anybody tell me what book it IS?
Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. TIA.
Shari Haber
MCLS Reference Center
shaber at mcls.org
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:14:07 -0800
From: "Dianne" <Mutts at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: <list at project-wombat.org>
Message-ID: <000a01c83307$73e69ca0$d0e20844 at owner85byo3y8m>
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That's it!!!! I was completely off track with the actor involved.
Thank you so much for your quick response. I can sleep again. :)
Dianne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nichael Cramer" <nichael at sover.net>
> Hi Diane
>
> I think perhaps you're thinking of "Betrayal", based on a play by
> Harold Pinter and staring Jeremy Irons, Patricia Hodge and a
> soon-after-Ghandi Ben Kingsley.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085234/
>
> Nichael
> --
> Nichael Cramer
> Guilford VT
> nichael at sover.net
> http://www.sover.net/~nichael/
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:17:17 -0800
From: "Dianne" <Mutts at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: <list at project-wombat.org>
Message-ID: <001201c83307$e4e85c40$d0e20844 at owner85byo3y8m>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Thank you! I appreciate the research.
This gives me a good start on looking up more on the subject. Much
appreciated.
Dianne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Corets" <lcorets at u.washington.edu>
To: <list at project-wombat.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 18:38
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
> Related plot keywords on imdb (with movie lists) include:
>
> Reverse chronology
> http://www.imdb.com/keyword/reverse-chronology/
>
> Nonlinear timeline
> http://www.imdb.com/keyword/nonlinear-timeline/
>
> Backwards
> http://www.imdb.com/keyword/backwards/
>
> Linda Corets
> Seattle
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:34:02 +0900
From: Peter Macinnis <petermacinnis at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PW] Book About Merry-Go-Round
To: list at project-wombat.org
Message-ID: <49184.1196397242 at ozemail.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's not Randolph Stow's "The Merry-Go-Round in the Sea", either.
Peter Macinnis
Maker of bespoke tuba-disposal doors
On Fri Nov 30 15:08 , 'Shari Haber' <shaber at mcls.org> sent:
>Greetings!
>
>I need help finding a book that a patron read in 1963. The story: There
>was a carousel on a beach. The man who ran the carousel had a little
>girl who had a favorite wooden horse on that carousel. A tsunami caused
>a big wave to wash up on the beach, and the little girl is saved by
>hanging on to the neck of the horse.
>
>It is not Marcia Brown's "Little Carousel," Crockett Johnson's "Merry
Go
>Round," Bianco's "Penny and the White Horse," "Little Rider," or
Young's
>"Prance: A Carousel Horse." It is not the "Gigi" books either. Can
>anybody tell me what book it IS?
>
>Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. TIA.
>
>Shari Haber
>MCLS Reference Center
>shaber at mcls.org
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Project Wombat
>list at project-wombat.org
>http://www.project-wombat.org/
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:47:24 -0500
From: Nichael Cramer <nichael at sover.net>
Subject: Re: [PW] Fiction Plotted Backwards
To: list at project-wombat.org, <list at project-wombat.org>
Cc: Mutts at cox.net
Message-ID: <200711300247.lAU2lK40036740 at smtpauth6.sover.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Dianne wrote:
>I was late to seeing "Memento," which is a film that starts at the end
of
>the story and then works its way backwards to what would normally be
the
>beginning. It sparked a vague sort of memory in me.
>
>I know I saw, several years ago, another film with the same structure.
I
>think the story was about two people who fall in love and eventually
break
>up (or perhaps one discovers an infidelity in the other). The film
starts
>with the break up (or near to it) and then works backwards until you
see how
>they came together in the first place. That's my recollection, anyway.
I
>believe it may have been based on a play, but I am lost as to identify
an
>author or title. I keep thinking Kevin Kline might have been in the
film,
>but I couldn't identify it from a list of his films, so that may be a
false
>memory on my part (ironic considering the theme of "Memento.")
Hi Diane
I think perhaps you're thinking of "Betrayal", based on a play by
Harold Pinter and staring Jeremy Irons, Patricia Hodge and a
soon-after-Ghandi Ben Kingsley.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085234/
Nichael
--
Nichael Cramer
Guilford VT
nichael at sover.net
http://www.sover.net/~nichael/
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:58:15 -0800 (PST)
From: don wittig <dan8bks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [PW] pre-1980 summer eights rowing races at Oxford
To: Project Wombat <list at project-wombat.org>
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Project Wombat colleagues:
A friend recently sent me this request [in italics, following].
I am trying to track down information about the results of the
summer eights rowing races at Oxford pre-1980. If you go to
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/rowing/bumps/sjoh/sjoh_me.html
there is a chart that represents the results for the Men's teams from
1980 through 2007. Basically I'm trying to extend this chart back to
1957.
This information may be found, inter alia, in the London
Times archives, so I have been trying to find a way to examine these
archives without having to pay an access fee. It seems that
various universities and other organizations, especially in the UK,
have corporate subscriptions, but my employer, Uncle Sam, [i.e., the
U.S. Government] does not.
An example of a link to the Times archives is as follows:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/eresources/databases/3359552.html
Many thanks for any suggestions or assistance you can provide.
---------------------------------
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:38:40 -0500
From: "Sheila Martin" <smwmartin at gmail.com>
Subject: [PW] Margaret Mead Quote
To: list at project-wombat.org
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Hello:
A patron is interested in finding the origin of Margaret Mead's quote,
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
change
the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." From what I
understand, it may have come from either a newspaper, television or
radio
interview. It also may be in her book, *New Lives for Old*. I think
the
quote may have come about between the end of WWII and 1965.
I only have access to NYT from 1851 to the present and the Hartford
Courant
from 1764 to the present. I tried using the Lexis-Nexis Newswire and
Transcript database (for ha has), but I found nothing.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Sheila Martin
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