[PW] Re: Geographical features and the definite article

[Franco, Adrienne]

Thank you for this correction.  When Ukraine was split up (e.g. some
under Polish rule, some under Tsarist Russian rule), were both called
Ukraine?  So would the Poles have referred to their portion as the
Ukraine as well as Tsarist Russia their portion as the Ukraine?  Today,
is the part of Ukraine which is now in Belarus also referred to as the
Ukraine?

Adrienne Franco
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Subject: [PW] Re: Geographical features and the definite article

Franco, Adrienne wrote:
> It isn't that the Ukraine included anything else; it's that it was a
part of the Soviet Union for many years. So, therefore Ukraine was a
region of the Soviet Union.

No.  The Ukraine was a region long before the Soviet Union existed.  At 
various times parts of it were under Polish rule; parts of it were under

Russian (Tsarist and later Soviet rule).

Most of it was in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which is now 
the independent nation-state of Ukraine.
The part of the Ukraine where my maternal grandfather was born is now in

  Belarus rather than Ukraine.
> 
>> "Ukraine" originally meant a region, rather than a place.
>          What else did it include?
> jean
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