[PW] Iroquois quote

d-lien University of Minnesota d-lien at umn.edu
Sun Sep 26 07:15:38 PDT 2021

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 10:02 PM ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> I did not see any direct matches for the Benjamin Franklin / Iroquois
> incident during a preliminary search.
> Here is a thematic match within a 1989 article. The key phrase in this
> piece is “Where are your women?” The Cherokees are the pertinent
> Native American group.
> Date: September 1989
> Periodical: Sojourner
> Volume 15, Issue 1
> Article: Culture and Gender in Indian America
> Author: Rayna Green
> Start Page 20, Quote Page 21 and 22
> Database: JSTOR Reveal Digital Open Access
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.28044995
> [Begin excerpt]
> In 1642, a group of British got off a boat in Virginia somewhere and
> migrated to what we call North Carolina; and there they met a
> delegation of Cherokees, led by a man who had been a warrior. His name
> was Outacitty, which means mankiller. He was a great warrior, a red
> chief, sent by the Beloved Woman and the clan-mothers to make war. But
> this time they had asked him not to make war. The Beloved Woman of the
> Nation, Ghigau had asked him to become a white chief, a peace chief,
> and to go and make peace with these people. And so Outacitty rode up
> to meet them. The first thing he said to them was, “Where are your
> women?” These men had come to do serious business, and they had no
> women with them. Peace is a very serious business. No act of war, no
> act of peace in my country is made without the women there. And
> Outacitty was shocked: the British dared to come without their women.
> “Where are your women?” he said. And he went back and reported that
> there was a problem here. “We cannot do business with these men,” he
> said. They were clearly missing half of the people needed to do
> business with.
> [End excerpt]
> Below is another thematic match in JSTOR. I cannot  access this book
> chapter, so I cannot provide a longer excerpt. The key phrase is
> “Where are your women?”, but the year of the event might be
> different.
> Year: 2001 Copyright
> Book Title: Available Means: An Anthology Of Women'S Rhetoric(s)
> Editors: Joy Ritchie and Kate Ronald
> Series: Pittsburgh Series in Composition, Literacy, and Culture
> Published by: University of Pittsburgh Press
> Chapter: “Cherokee Women Address Their Nation” (1817)
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt5hjqnj
> [Begin snippet excerpt]
> ...of the meeting in 1765 between Henry Timberlake and Attakullakulla,
> a Cherokee chief, who had met to negotiate a treaty; Attakullakulla's
> initial question to the delegation of whites-"Where are your women?"
> -was in- comprehensible to them, since the lack of women in their
> delegation seemed irrelevant...
> [End snippet excerpt]
> Garson
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 5:37 PM David Haynes <davhaynes at juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > Joeys,
> >
> > In 'My Life on the Road' Gloria Steinem wrote that during the Constitutional Convention Franklin advocated for a federal system similar to the Iroquois Confederation and
> >
> > "That’s why he invited two Iroquois men to Philadelphia as advisers. Among their first questions was said to be: Where are the women?”
> >
> > I have been unable to find a source for this quote about women and would be delighted if someone could point me to it. Thanks. Happy trails, David
> >
> > David Haynes    davhaynes at Juno.com    San Antonio
> >
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