[PW] Ford Madox Ford quotation

Barbara Schmidt schmidtbrb at gmail.com
Mon Nov 23 12:22:49 PST 2020


A closer look at that PUCK table of contents from 1914 credits the column
in question to Horatio Winslow.

Barb

On Monday, November 23, 2020, ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The prominent English writer Julian Barnes attributed the remark with
> the word "conversation" instead of "talks" to Ford Madox Ford during
> an interview published in "The Los Angeles Times" in 2001. (The
> newspaper spelled "Madox" as Maddox".)
>
> Date: March 12, 2001
> Newspaper: The Los Angeles Times
> Newspaper Location: Los Angeles, California
> Article: For the 'Love' of Intimacy and Good Manners
> Author: Susan Salter Reynolds (Times Staff Writer)
> Start Page E1, Quote Page E3, Column 3
> Database: ProQuest
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> Is it better to be with someone you can talk to or someone you're
> attracted to? "As Ford Maddox Ford, one of our greatest novelists
> said, you marry to continue the conversation."
> [End excerpt]
>
> The attribution was repeated by Julian Barnes in his books "Through
> the Window: Seventeen Essays and a Short Story" (2012) and "Levels of
> Life" (2013).
>
> Garson O'Toole
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:05 PM Barbara Schmidt <schmidtbrb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Found the issue of PUCK online — Oct. 24, 1914 — and the quote is there.
> > However, I don’t immediately see the author identified.
> > It is in second column on this page —
> >
> > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015084559197&
> view=1up&seq=283&q1=marry
> >
> > Barb
> >
> > On Monday, November 23, 2020, Barbara Schmidt <schmidtbrb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > A google advanced book search brings up PUCK,  vol. 76 but the preview
> is
> > > a tiny snippet and I am unable to see the quote in question. Perhaps
> some
> > > library that holds the original can take a look —
> > >
> > > https://books.google.com/books?id=yO8wAQAAMAAJ&q=%
> 22Marry+to+continue+the+
> > > conversation%22&dq=%22Marry+to+continue+the+conversation%
> > > 22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNjLHipJntAhUBC6wKHdxZC5oQ6AEwBHoECAEQAg
> > >
> > > Barb
> > >
> > > On Monday, November 23, 2020, Bill Davis <wmadavis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> At 11:27 AM 11/23/2020, Fred W. Helenius wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In Chapter VI of Part Two of "A Man Could Stand Up--" (the third book
> of
> > >>> the "Parade's End" tetralogy), protagonist Christopher Tietjens
> thinks the
> > >>> following:
> > >>>
> > >>>   The beastly Huns! They stood between him and Valentine Wannop. If
> they
> > >>> would go home he could be sitting talking to her for whole
> afternoons. That
> > >>> was what a young woman was for. You seduced a young woman in order
> to be
> > >>> able to finish your talks with her. You could not do that without
> living
> > >>> with her. You could not live with her without seducing her; but that
> was
> > >>> the by-product. The point is that you can't otherwise talk.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> The passage goes on to say:
> > >>
> > >> "You can't finish talks at street corners; in museums; even in drawing
> > >> rooms.  You mayn't be in the mood when she is in the mood – for the
> > >> intimate conversation that means the final communion of your souls.
> You
> > >> have to wait together – for a week, for a year, for a lifetime,
> before the
> > >> final intimate conversation may be attained...and exhausted. "
> > >>
> > >> I found a web page where J. Coetze paraphrased Tietjens as saying
> "that
> > >> one goes to bed with a woman in order to be able to talk to her," and
> > >> someone commented:
> > >>
> > >> "Coetzee is paraphrasing considerable - the quote is that one marries
> "in
> > >> order to continue the conversation".  "
> > >>
> > >> But the quote is elusive.  It seems to be that passage from "A Man
> Could
> > >> Stand Up" paraphrased.  But if so, who paraphrased it?  In 1926, the
> same
> > >> year, the same year the book was published,  a newspaper wedding page
> > >> column "Just Among Us Girls." blathered in staccato through many
> comments
> > >> about marriage, one of them being "Men and women marry to continue the
> > >> conversation."  (The News Journal, Wilmington, DE, July 23,1926, pg
> 10)
> > >>
> > >> Bill Davis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>> Fred W. Helenius
> > >>> fredh at ix.netcom.com
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