[PW] Ford Madox Ford quotation

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com
Mon Nov 23 11:22:47 PST 2020


The prominent English writer Julian Barnes attributed the remark with
the word "conversation" instead of "talks" to Ford Madox Ford during
an interview published in "The Los Angeles Times" in 2001. (The
newspaper spelled "Madox" as Maddox".)

Date: March 12, 2001
Newspaper: The Los Angeles Times
Newspaper Location: Los Angeles, California
Article: For the 'Love' of Intimacy and Good Manners
Author: Susan Salter Reynolds (Times Staff Writer)
Start Page E1, Quote Page E3, Column 3
Database: ProQuest

[Begin excerpt]
Is it better to be with someone you can talk to or someone you're
attracted to? "As Ford Maddox Ford, one of our greatest novelists
said, you marry to continue the conversation."
[End excerpt]

The attribution was repeated by Julian Barnes in his books "Through
the Window: Seventeen Essays and a Short Story" (2012) and "Levels of
Life" (2013).

Garson O'Toole

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:05 PM Barbara Schmidt <schmidtbrb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Found the issue of PUCK online — Oct. 24, 1914 — and the quote is there.
> However, I don’t immediately see the author identified.
> It is in second column on this page —
>
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015084559197&view=1up&seq=283&q1=marry
>
> Barb
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2020, Barbara Schmidt <schmidtbrb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A google advanced book search brings up PUCK,  vol. 76 but the preview is
> > a tiny snippet and I am unable to see the quote in question. Perhaps some
> > library that holds the original can take a look —
> >
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=yO8wAQAAMAAJ&q=%22Marry+to+continue+the+
> > conversation%22&dq=%22Marry+to+continue+the+conversation%
> > 22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNjLHipJntAhUBC6wKHdxZC5oQ6AEwBHoECAEQAg
> >
> > Barb
> >
> > On Monday, November 23, 2020, Bill Davis <wmadavis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> At 11:27 AM 11/23/2020, Fred W. Helenius wrote:
> >>
> >> In Chapter VI of Part Two of "A Man Could Stand Up--" (the third book of
> >>> the "Parade's End" tetralogy), protagonist Christopher Tietjens thinks the
> >>> following:
> >>>
> >>>   The beastly Huns! They stood between him and Valentine Wannop. If they
> >>> would go home he could be sitting talking to her for whole afternoons. That
> >>> was what a young woman was for. You seduced a young woman in order to be
> >>> able to finish your talks with her. You could not do that without living
> >>> with her. You could not live with her without seducing her; but that was
> >>> the by-product. The point is that you can't otherwise talk.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The passage goes on to say:
> >>
> >> "You can't finish talks at street corners; in museums; even in drawing
> >> rooms.  You mayn't be in the mood when she is in the mood – for the
> >> intimate conversation that means the final communion of your souls.  You
> >> have to wait together – for a week, for a year, for a lifetime, before the
> >> final intimate conversation may be attained...and exhausted. "
> >>
> >> I found a web page where J. Coetze paraphrased Tietjens as saying "that
> >> one goes to bed with a woman in order to be able to talk to her," and
> >> someone commented:
> >>
> >> "Coetzee is paraphrasing considerable - the quote is that one marries "in
> >> order to continue the conversation".  "
> >>
> >> But the quote is elusive.  It seems to be that passage from "A Man Could
> >> Stand Up" paraphrased.  But if so, who paraphrased it?  In 1926, the same
> >> year, the same year the book was published,  a newspaper wedding page
> >> column "Just Among Us Girls." blathered in staccato through many comments
> >> about marriage, one of them being "Men and women marry to continue the
> >> conversation."  (The News Journal, Wilmington, DE, July 23,1926, pg 10)
> >>
> >> Bill Davis
> >>
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> >>
> >> --
> >>> Fred W. Helenius
> >>> fredh at ix.netcom.com
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