[PW] Martin Luther quotation

Perisho, Steve sperisho at spu.edu
Wed Mar 25 21:11:36 PDT 2020


The earliest guess at a date for the book by Bushnell in WorldCat would seem to be [1910].  But we already have the quote in a book clearly published in 1888.

Steve Perisho
Theology and Philosophy Librarian
Seattle Pacific University

Email:  sperisho at spu.edu; Tel.:  206 281 2417
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I ran snippets of the quote through an Advanced Search, for The Exact Phrase, in HathiTrust.
The quotation was only found in:
God's word to women; one hundred Bible studies on women's place in the Divine Economy ... Bushnell, Katherine Caroline, 1855-

It was located in Lesson 100: A birthright or a mess of pottage.

The HathiTrust copy appears to have been privately published. It is a second edition and may have been printed in 1923 although the ink tends to run together on the last two digits of the copy. There are no page numbers, only paragraph numbers.
She mentions it is by Luther but does not cite any of his writings.

There is a Dictionary Index which says Luther wrote a lot of works and his greatest work was translating the Bible.

So, essentially no help here except to show where it may be found in a book and take the quote back at least that far.

Murl Winters
Evangel University Library
Retired

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:50 AM Perisho, Steve <sperisho at spu.edu> wrote:

> It doesn't appear to be present in the first 54 volumes of the 
> American edition of Luther's Works ed. Pelikan, which I've just 
> searched (in various combinations of woman, man, begin, bend, master, obedient, etc.).
> But even with vols. 56 ff. (which have been being added to that 
> original set in recent years, but are not yet (?) included in the Past 
> Masters database), Luther's Works will still not be a comprehensive 
> edition of the Werke in English.
> Moreover, this translation (if it is a translation) antedates those in 
> the 20th-century American edition by quite a bit, deriving, as it 
> seems to (barring further discoveries), from what one might consider 
> to be a hostile witness, Karl Pearson's 1888 The ethic of freethought,
> https://books.google.com/books?id=uH0sAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA425 .
> So its absence in Luther's Works (in that translation) doesn't 
> necessarily settle anything for SURE.  It COULD be that Pearson 
> translated it himself or got it from a 19th-CENTURY (or earlier) translation.
> That said, as a professional theological librarian, I do quite a bit 
> of Luther quote sleuthing, and have, therefore, my suspicions.
> To rule this one out definitively, you might need the database Luthers 
> Werke.  And although searching the Latin would be fairly 
> straightforward, searching Luther's early German wouldn't.
> That's all of the time I can give this one this morning.
>
> Best,
>
> Steve Perisho
> Theology and Philosophy Librarian
> Seattle Pacific University
>
> Email:  sperisho at spu.edu; Tel.:  206 281 2417 Commonplace book:  
> http://liberlocorumcommunium.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
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>
> I have a patron who wants to cite a quote purportedly from Martin Luther.
> I can find it mentioned all over (with variations in wording) and 
> attributed to Luther but with no citation as to source.  The quotation 
> is as follows:
>
>
> Woman must neither begin nor complete anything without man: Where he 
> is, there she must be, and bend before him as before a master, whom 
> she shall fear and to whom she shall be subject and obedient.
>
> Any ideas?  I've been trying to search through some of the works but 
> man, there are a LOT of works!
>
> Thanks for any leads!
>
> Jeanne
> --
> Bristol Public Library
> Bristol, VA/TN
>
> See what we're reading now:
> http://bristol-library-bookblog.blogspot.com/
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