[PW] ? Bat Masterson Quote (Quotation Query #766)

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com
Sat Feb 18 15:54:00 PST 2017


The citation below asserts that Congressman Frank Lawler coined the
saying. However, this citation is not the earliest. The citation in
the "Atchison Daily Patriot" (already posted to this mailing list)
occurred a month earlier

Date: December 18, 1886
Newspaper: Kansas City Times
Article: Congressman Lawler's Philosophy
Acknowledgment: Cincinnati Commercial Gazette
Newspaper Location: (Kansas City, Missouri)
Quote Page 2, Column 4
Database: GenealogyBank

[[Begin excerpt - as always double-check text]]
Congressman Lawler's Philosophy
[Cincinnati Commercial Gazette.]
Mr. Lawler is a philosopher. It was he who originated the famous
saying, worthy of Seneca's morals or "Poor Richard's Almanac." Said
Mr. Lawler:

"Gentlemen you should not get impatient with nature. All things
equalize themselves—the rich man gets his ice in summer and the poor
man gets his in winter."
[[End excerpt]]

Below is another citation pointing to Lawler:

Date: December 18, 1886
Newspaper: The Cecil Whig
Newspaper Location: Elkton, Maryland
Article (Short untitled item)
Quote Page 2, Column 1
Database: Chronicling America

[Begin excerpt]
Congressman Frank Lawler is a philosopher if not a genius. “Gentlemen”
he cries "you should not get impatient with nature. All things
equalize themselves—the rich man gets his ice in the summer, and the
poor man gets his in winter." Lawler evidently keeps in out of the
cold. He fairly typifies modern chanty.
[End excerpt]

Garson


On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:31 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is the quip more than a decade earlier:
>
> Date: November 18, 1886
> Newspaper: Atchison Daily Patriot
> Newspaper Location: Atchison, Kansas
> Article: Untitled short piece
> Quote Page 2, Column 2
> Database: Newspapers.com
> Quote Page 2, Column 2
>
> [Begin excerpt]
> It is on the Emersonian doctrine of compensation illustrated by one of
> his disciples, who said all things are about evenly divided, as for
> instance: The rich have ice in summer and the poor have it in winter.
> [End excerpt]
>
> Garson
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:02 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>> After "The Pittsburgh Press" appearance an instance was printed in the
>> "Denver Rocky Mountain News" on February 13, 1898. "Judge" received
>> credit.
>>
>> The joke appeared in "Judge's Library" in February 1900 which I
>> believe reprinted its material from "Judge". But I have not yet
>> located the appearance in "Judge" itself.
>>
>> Date: February 1900
>> Periodical: Judge's Library: A Monthly Magazine of Fun
>> Number 131
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=bT4gAAAAMAAJ&q=%22unjust+world%22#v=snippet&
>>
>> [Begin excerpt]
>> EVERYTHING EQUAL
>>
>> "This is not such an unjust world, after all, when you come to think
>> about it," said the old-young man. "Of course the rich people have ice
>> in summer, but don't the poor get it in winter?"
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>> Garson
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:32 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole
>> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Good work, Barb. Below is the same basic joke in 1898. The article
>>> title suggests it may be from humor publication "Judge" but I am
>>> uncertain.
>>>
>>> Date: February 2, 1898
>>> Newspaper: The Pittsburgh Press
>>> Newspaper Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
>>> Article: Merry Thoughts of Judge
>>> Quote Page 4, Column 2
>>> Database: Newspapers.com
>>>
>>> [Begin excerpt]
>>> "This not such an unjust world, after all, when you come to think
>>> about it," said the old-young man. "Of course the rich people have ice
>>> in summer, but don't the poor get it in winter?"
>>> [End excerpt]
>>>
>>> Garson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Barbara Schmidt <schmidtbrb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Fred,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the sentiment is original to Masterson.  I found a Jan. 28,
>>>> 1905 appearance in the Wilkes-Barre Times Leader of the rich/poor get ice
>>>> story via newspapers.com when I searched without Masterson in the search
>>>> terms.  This quip was attributed to Pat Sheedy.  I can send the clip to you
>>>> later today if you need it and nobody finds an earlier appearance.
>>>>
>>>> Barb
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2017, Shapiro, Fred <fred.shapiro at yale.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is a great quotation attributed to outlaw-turned-lawman "Bat"
>>>>> Masterson:  "There are many in this old world of ours who hold that things
>>>>> break even for all of us.  I have observed, for example, that we all get
>>>>> the same amount of ice.  The rich get it in the summertime, and the poor
>>>>> get it in the winter."  When I search ProQuest Historical Newspapers, I
>>>>> find articles from the early 1960s claiming that this was found on
>>>>> Masterson's typewriter when he died at his desk in 1921 (he was a
>>>>> newspaperman at that point in his life).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone supply any information about the veracity of this story?  Does
>>>>> it appear in print before the 1960s, and, if so, how far back can it be
>>>>> found?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred Shapiro
>>>>>
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